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Val
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« on: September 02, 2008, 05:55:48 PM »

Lord Tebbit 'could have been a hoodie' if his stint doing National Service hadn't knocked him into shape, he has said.

The Tory peer, who was known as the Chingford Skinhead during his time in politics, said serving the Armed Forces had given him an outlet for his energy and stopped him getting into trouble as a teenager.

Without a compulsory period in the military, the young find it difficult to channel aggression and energy in a positive way, explained the former Conservative chairman, who was a close ally of former prime minister Baroness Thatcher. Consequently, too many are driven to anti-social behaviour and crime - characterised by those who wear hooded tops.

He said: 'Growing up in inner London somewhere today, I would possibly have been a hoodie.

'You just have to get out and do something at that age. You have to lead people.

'One of the tragedies of today is the kids who ought to be leaders are being left to do destructive things instead - they feel they have to lead somewhere so they lead the gangs.

'It's the only leadership they can get,'  the 77-year-old told veterans at the RAF Association, Bognor, in West Sussex.

Between 1945 and 1963, every healthy man from 17 and 21 was expected to serve in the Forces for 18 months

Lord Tebbit, 77, grew up in Enfield, North London.Lord Tebbit also blamed Britain's education system for the teenage crime wave sweeping the country.

He said: 'We are failing them in the most dreadful way. We are creating terrific problems for society.

'The most academically gifted young people are not being stretched enough by state schools and those without many talents are just being cast adrift from society.   'http://tinyurl.com/5w3877

I can't help but think he's speaking the truth
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 08:31:35 PM »

Well yes Val,I have to agree to some of it too.
I am sure it will cost less than it does to take these peple to court,and then to keep them an their off spring.
Who knows if they were taught a trade like they used to do things might look up !
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 03:03:01 PM »

Rather tiring to think about our younger generation, as too just what they want from life ?? -- They are bored?? So find them something, worthwhile to actually DO?Huh?
Train them to be positive in their outlook for 'their' Future and get their interests and Attitude Changed ---- Put Them Back Into The Community HuhHuhHuh
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 03:12:28 PM »

Is he speaking the truth - yes and no.
In Germany young men have to either share the armed forces or do some social work, as we don't have a "professional army" like the Brits, French or Americans. Many young people prefer doing some social work, as they don't want to kill.
On the other side the army is, of course, a place for young people without "any future", because if they join it in a professional way,i.e. to become soldiers, they have the chance of getting a training for some other job, i.e. mechanicien etc. etc. However, in this case they don't know whether they will be sent to "dangerous" regions and lose their life.
On the whole the army is more popular in Eastern Germany than in Western Germany.
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 03:33:00 PM »

Does Dying, for an unworthy cause, justify The end product??  I Think Not !! But today's training may well be capable of helping these youngsters??
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2008, 05:39:03 PM »

I think todays youngsters need more opportunity to get a training in work that will provide a living. There just aren't the jobs out there they can do or train for. After they leave school they are left to get on with it when as teenagers they still need structure and guidance. These days its who you know not what you know.I think they would all be a lot more responsible with the right sort of help.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2008, 08:28:02 PM »

Does dying for an unworthy cause mean defending your country Pheonix. Had we thought like that in 1939 we would have been ruled by the nazis, we would have lost the Falklands and NI.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 07:01:54 AM »

The youngsters that join just want to serve their country, it isn't their choice where they go or what war they fight. Maybe to have boot camps and not national service is the way forward for those causing trouble and more trade training available for those who aren't.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 09:09:49 PM »

Val, are you sure youngsters joining the army want to serve their country. In my opinion this is no longer valid - they are sent to some country far away. It's just a job and  - at least in Germany a job where you can earn a lot of money, because you get an extra for being stationed in a dangerous foreign country. Sometimes I think they don't realise how dangerous their job is.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2008, 06:49:00 AM »

Yes its still there, they are proud to be in the forces and rightly so,I think its drummed into them in basic training.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2008, 05:27:26 PM »

There are many valid points, in your postings.
The war in 1945 was for the 'safety' of our country, by supporting Europe!!  The wars, currently in far off eastern places, cannot be placed on the same level!!
Many of 'our' forces, are dying, sometimes for the lack of the right equipment. Many are Disilusioned !!
Teri, I think you have a valid point, as it is one way of doing something benificial and getting paid??  I shter any other choice for them ??
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2008, 11:31:23 PM »

Phoenix, I'm not acquainted with the English situation, but in Germany the army is really a chance for youngsters without any job (boys and girls).
Many years ago my younger daughter had a friend who was soldier and he was very happy in the army - he told me that there is kind of a friendship he never had met before.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2008, 03:42:48 PM »

Teri, I believe it's called "cameradie" or comrades in arms. Not many appear to want to go into the forces today ?? possibly because of the external threats ??
Some of those already in!! are buying themselves out because of 'Disillusionedment' ?? Perhaps so much has changed since my time in the 40s.??
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2008, 08:59:54 PM »

Also Phoenix we accepted discipline,something no longer accepted.(politically correct springs to mind)and that has no discipline at all.
Discipline should be our basic rule,at school and at home,maybe then our country would be a better place to live.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2008, 09:06:47 PM »

True Phoenix, would you like to die for some "unknown" people like the Iraqi or the Afghans? On German TV they said yesterday that on the whole little has changed in Afghanistan.
In the 40s you were defending your country and that was quite different.
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