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Michael
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 04:23:19 PM »

Yes, Britain has the most devisery pensions and benefits system in Europe.

The government get away with taxing you pensioners and paying you a lousy state pension, and then means test you for handouts.

This is Britain, the 4th richest economy in the world, with the meanest and most devisery benefits and pensions system in the EU.
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Michael
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 04:28:49 PM »

Yes this is 21st century Britain with the 4th largest economy in the world.

Yet with the meanest most devisery pensions and benefits system in Europe.

But we let it all happen, weve nobody to blame but ourselves, we British are the most apathetic and politically docile race in Europe.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 09:30:56 PM »

Mr.Brown said he was sorry,what more can we sak for...............I could ask for my £35 quid back he just stolen from me !
I have one vote in a staunch labour ward.............so I dont have a hope !
I asked about living abroad.............and they will tax me at source.......so I will still have to pay it !!! not a hope !
Everyone seems to forget this is the money we paid into !
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Michael
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 10:40:42 AM »

Exactly, our politicians have used your years of N.I. contributions on other things.

Yet the means test initiated by Thatcher from the 80's, mimimicking the 30's means test, is costing 0ver 10 times more on income tax payers money than it would cost to restore the link with earnings.

Britain is a very wealthy nation, I cannot for the life of me understand why Gordon Brown has stepped into the Blairite
Thatcherite right wing mould.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2008, 04:28:13 PM »

Maybe its because his parents were middle class tories ?
Yet again he has hit the minority,he knows he will get a away with it, not enough of us,and most people are better off as he says with the new 20% tax for all.Sadly this wont help my friend on the very very low threshold hers has risen from 59p to £10.59p so very sad thats he feels he gains from that !!!! I hope they lose every seat in the by-elections to the UKIP.
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2008, 06:51:41 PM »

Local Elections Huh?  Open for a Labour opportunity, Again?? -- A chance for UKIP Huh? -- BNP HuhHuh?
 Any other 'Groupie' out there HuhHuh?
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Michael
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2008, 07:07:02 PM »

So do I, but our poor will fair no better from another Tory government, and the rich and poor devide will continue.

We need a government who will reverse the Thatcher years in taxation and pensions, but where are they ?
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2008, 09:04:32 PM »

If only We Knew The Answer To That One Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Michael
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2008, 10:38:32 PM »

Perhaps the Liberal Democrats ?
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2008, 06:14:53 PM »

We have Lib/Dems here in stockport they have been in for years and the rates are the highest in the north west,and went up the most this year............no thanks !!!
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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2008, 10:06:16 PM »

You dont understand do you.  The rates are the Council Tax.  And the council tax was brought in under Thatcher as the poll tax, and the poll tax was brought into replace increases in national income tax to fund local services.

It doesnt matter who is in charge of local authorities anywhere in the country, it doesnt matter if the council tax is high, or low, what matters is it's an unjust tax brought in by Thatcher and kept in by New Labour.

I wish people would look at the wider issues, and stop thinking of their wallets, then we might start getting somewhere in this country.
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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2008, 10:37:29 PM »

And none of the other governments have changed it have they,in fact the LIb Dem have increased it here !
Thatcher was for the parliamentarians not the people,not even her people,but her people faired better with the banding !
They have had 14 years to change it and have they no !
and now with the loss of the 10p tax and the increase in rates the people have said enough is enough ! what next.........let the UKIP have a chance !
I await the general election with anticipation and hope they get tonked again well and truely to the UKIP !
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2008, 09:00:57 AM »

You must have nightmares about Mrs T Michael., she only brought in the council tax under pressure, she brought in the poll tax which was fairer than the council tax.
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2008, 10:48:56 AM »

What rubbish you talk.  The Poll Tax was an unjust tax like the council tax because it was not based on ability to pay.

Also the Poll Tax was introduced by Margaret Thatcher to rep;lace increases in direct taxation ( national income tax ) from which to fund our local communities UK wide.

The Poll Tax was introduced to begin the devolution of local Communities from central Government funding, because since the 1980's, the local tax under three names poll tax, communti charge, and now council tax, has increased by stealth over the years to fund local communities, but national income tax has been increased to fund the same.

When Margaret Thatcher was in power she wanted to remove the "role of the state" from local communites, hence income tax payers money being cut from the outset in 1980, and Poll Tax/Community Charge, Council tax being introduced.

And it is this "shift" in tax policy that is helping to widen our rich and poor devide.
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2008, 04:27:02 PM »

Oh dear Michael, what a blinkered view of life you have.
as they say, you cant preach to the converted,I can only hope someday you will see the light,tho I doubt it,as the only one who dosnt talk rubbish we will have to bow to your "suprior" knowledge.
  Mrs T is still the bestPM this country has had since the war.
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