There are far too many people following the greed and self interest that spawned from the Thatcher era, now who have their noses in the trough, including our well fed and looked after MP's

If all what was going on in the UK this past 20 odd years, at least since the 1980's had been happening in any other EU country, it would not have lasted five minutes let alone over 2 decades.

It all boils down to British apathy, from the top, down.

If we dont care abour our own country folk, why should the politicians ?

You saw just a few kids, how many kids live in the UK ?.  It is easy to make judgements about anybody, but when we make judgements we judge ourselves.

I feel sorry for young people today, they learn from us, and they have got nothing to look forward to, no secure jobs like we had, no secure housing like we had, no state pensions definately, and no way of raising a family.

The youngsters have been born into a highly material British world, where caring, community, and society has gone.

What we all have is the freedom to do what we want, when we want, and to hell with everybody else.

It is a shame you didnt figure out some way to talk to these youngsters, because all they get is ridicule, which is why they ignore people and do what they want to do.

Mac,Well Said!!   I could not agree More!!

Michael,  Do you really Live, In The Real World??
 Seeing a few kids as you call them??  Adolecents Really!!
Describes the 'average of today' ?? -- Perhaps you live in a 'controlled area'?? WE Do Not!!  The Damage and Deaths 'some' have caused, Is beyond all comprehension. Many people in some Area's, live in Total fear of Gangs!!
We have expressed our opinions and some are the same as your's -- Relevant to feeling Sorry for The Genuine one's that to really WANT, a reasonable livelyhood??
FREEDOM!!  Yes, we do have that, but only relevant to any forthcoming government restrictions!!

I am Still Waiting for Your 'Prophesy' for The next 10 years??  What part will You Play 

Michael its not British apathy
its `whats the point` which ever way you turn there is a `do gooder` telling you otherwise.
1) they do not learn from ME
2) what was secure about our housing ? we had to pay for it !
3) they are not ridiculed,they are the ridiculers
4) they have a way of raising a family.........they just get pregnant and somebody else keeps it !    ie-tax payers.
5)yes the caring community has gone as we knew it,but you can still live here for free,this is why there are no houses being built,and the pensions saved have been creamed off.
6) if they learn from us then they would be like us ? yes,answer NO we were fools we paid our way and still do,and for what, increases all the time in TAX and poll tax and fuel bills,
and very badly treated pensioners.God help us when it is their turn !!!! the ones that you say they will learn from are THEM !!!!

Teri, ive a theory here.  Britain is the most expensive country in Europe to live, one issue is the expense of our housing due to the greed and self interest during the Thatcher years when she sold off council housing and didnt replace them, but we all went on a frenzy of buying and selling to make our profits, even though we were void of council housing.

What im getting at is that our population is stressed out, we work the longest ours in Europe, and for what ?, to pay our blasted mortgages, or high rents in the private sector.

Kids today are running wild in Britain because parents are too stressed out to deal with them, and schools are not allowed to discipline due to parental choice.

How right do you think I am ?

Pheonix, I have to agree with you, Thatcherism has been a htorn in the side of the lefties for a long time.
 I wish we had someone like her now to straighten up the country. The winter of discontent, when the left ruled unions were virtually running the country, striking at the drop of a hat for 20,30 40% payrises. That man Scargill, did as much if not more to closing the coal mines.
I was acoal miner and didnt like to see it, but either MrsT or Scargill was going to run the country and she made sure it was her. I must admit she went off the rails towards the end but as you say nobodys perfect, well nearly nobody

Michael.I agree with some of what you say, but in that winter of discontent this country was in a mess, being held to ransome by left wing dominated unions, Mrs T broke their stranglehold and for that people followed her.
Hitler came to power when the german economy was in a mess,with mass unenployment,he improved the lives of the people and so they followed him.
then their paths met and they both went down the wrong one,Hitler a bit more savagely than Mrs T, but by then it was too late, we came to realise that things were going wrong. What either we or the Germans could do about it I dont know.

That's quite an interesting discussion.
Michael when I was in the UK for the first time - in the sixties - it was a country Germans only could dream of. You had such a lot of advantages compared with the remaining European countries, but at that time we Germans consoled ourselves with the thought that you had won WW II and we had lost it. However, what you missed to do - in my opinion and I hope I don't offend you - was to look forward and to realise that times and conditions were changing. Germans worked hard to build up again their country and economy. It's true those German virtues have been lost a little bit during the last years, but at least in the region where I live people start to revert to these virtues. Above all since the so-called PISA test (a test carried out with all European pupils) showed that Germans and German schools had been a bit too superficial in the past.
Building a house is very expensive in Germany - I just renovated a flat in my mother's house and the costs ran away. However, on the other side it's good to have an own flat or house, because when you are old you don't have to pay a rent and as in the UK the German old age pensions are not so high for most people - naturally there are exceptions as everywhere and they gloss over the statistics.
Michael as I already told you I travelled a lot through Europe during the last ten years and believe me, the British are well of compared to other countries in Southern Europe. Take for instance Spain - it's only in the last years that a pension has been introduced for senior citizens. Twenty years ago people in Andalusia didn't have any chance to find a job - in summer/autumn they helped with the harvesting and that was all - many people from Southern Italy, Spain and Portugal migrated to Germany in the fifties and sixties as "guest workers" to earn their living.
Although I only get a very small pension I'm of the opinion that people never had a better life before than today - so I really can't understand why we are continuously complaining. Do you think we would have been better off, if we had lived in the 20s?