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Phoenix
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2008, 04:35:13 PM »

Hello Michael, It is good to hear from you again. I thought maybe you had left us again. Please remember one only believes in what one desires? Or just how one would love to see our country ---- Again??  Politics, appear to be a bad thing. Why does there have to be so  many problems?? Cannot All people work together for the same or similar ends??  without being Political??

"UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL" -- DO WE, THE COUNTRY, HAVE TO FALL EVEN FURTHER?? IF SO. WHY?Huh
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2008, 08:18:16 PM »

Michael
I resent being called gutless,
if I speak out about the migrants,I am racist,if I speak out about the government its not politically correct,
and anyway who listens ?
I saw a good party political program tonight it was by the UKIP but will they be true to their word.........or like the rest just feather their on nests when in power.
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2008, 03:02:32 PM »

Michael, I am patienly awaiting an answer, to all Comments?? -- You will get absolutely nowhere, by calling our Generation 'gutless?' Roll Eyes I trust that you do Not include those that gave their lives for this Country???
As a 'possible candidate' for an M.P. just why are you so negative and dwell in The past?? -- Be more 'positive' and project, -- The Future!! -- It is stated that 80% are against a multiracial country!!  80%??  Does that Include Yourself ?? Are You really For The People and Our Country??
Why Do You Want To Be An M.P.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes -----
Food is now at the Highest Level of Cost for 17 years!!
That man Roll Eyes is Giving £300 million of OUR Hard Earned Money,To Africa Roll Eyes -- Don't Worry at all about The Senior Citizens, of this country. The Golden Oldies are Dying out!!  Just concentrate on 'those' that abuse all our systems and Deny The Pensioner's A really decent Rise!!
GO 'FORWARD' YOUNG MAN AND PROGRESS INTO THE 'FUTURE' Huh?
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2008, 07:31:48 PM »

And take Gordon Brown with you lol !
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2008, 03:58:48 PM »

No, Im not refering to you pensioners.  There are just 12 million of you, in a 60 million population.
You will get nowhere until you have the backing of the country you fought for or played a part in the war effort.

In my view today's relative younger people take all that you fought for and won, for granted, this is where there is no respect.

Fantastic virtues like the NHS, the welfare state, minimum wages, council housing, all fought for an won, but now taken for granted.

I am "NOT" saying that anybody is a waster and scrounger, I am not small minded like that, I am not judgemental, I am simply saying that today's younger people dont really know they are living.

Yes they have their problems bestowed onto them by the older elecrate, but if you among the older elderly people did not work, you did not eat, and I believe this aspect is taken for granted, not by everybody, but a good many younger people ive no doubt.
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2008, 06:22:21 PM »

Thank you for the explanation Michael
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 08:52:49 PM »

Michael, in some respects you are right, but young people who were born into a society of consumers as we call it, don't know how it was before - like us, we don't know how it was when we didn't have any welfare system at all and young people had to care for the old ones.
In our yesterday's paper they wrote that due to our Hartz IV we will have a lot of poor senior citizens in Eastern Germany in future.
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2008, 11:16:52 PM »

like us Teri,we have poor pensioners,the ones that dont get benefits are poor,the poor are looked after,the rich sre too,its the ones in the middle that suffer.The ones that made Britain GREAT
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 10:12:04 AM »

Rightly or wrongly, Mrs T made decisions she thought was best for the country, un like Blair who made decisions to benofit himsely and his cohorts in westminster, now being carried on by Brown. As one of the gutless ones who has allowed this country to get into the mess its in, can I ask Michael what he and his generation are doing to prevent this country from slipping further into the abyss.
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2008, 02:50:48 PM »

Wrong, Thatcher wanted power at any cost, her policies were designed to be opportunist, like selling the off of council houses and not building any more.

Monetarism was the key policy, creating unemployment to get inflation low, Gordon Brown's doing the same now, controlling inflation by not giving into pay increases.
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2008, 02:55:18 PM »

William, political ignorance, apathy, and indifferent to others has been the political agenda from the British since the 1980's, and my generation are at fault here.

Young people today have become equally self obsorbed and self centred.

We have it all in Britain but we are too stupid and thick to see it.

We know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2008, 09:49:23 PM »

I have decided to Pass on this!!  There really is, so much one could say, but would take 'overlong' without completion. We do know The price and the values, relative to the standards for our living, in a decent society!!
Stupid and Thick??  Hardly!! Please do credit us, with a little more intelligence than that. You really should not 'attack' the people that you want to Support you in your endeavour, to become an MP?? -- Have I missed your comments about our 'Unelected' prime minister and his cohourts?? -- In viewing our posts on this forum, I wouls suggest going for Compromise of requirements ??
For all of our future needs!!
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2008, 10:34:19 PM »

Oh dear Michael
WE dont have it all,at all,and what we do have was hard to come by.............remember the 3 day week ? remember the electricty cuts,remember the coal miners whole communities wiped out there.Scargill was right he said they would close the pits and they did.Now we have no nationalised industries at all and look whats happened all the deadlegs have jumped on the bandwagon to rip us off,saying they will repair this and that but they arent qualified..Theres nowhere for people to live,no tradesmen,no trust.It might all be down to Thatcher but my God they have had long enough to sort it !
While  I am at it can you tell me what the hell he is doing in America ?..............just a hunch but could it be to do with money ? or even worse yet another war !
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2008, 02:41:02 PM »

The Winter of discontent had to happen, because this was the cultimation and consequence of life that started way back in our industrial past when exploitation of the working man was rife, hence the Unions and the Labour movement being formed.

Margaret Thatcher exploited that situation for her Government's own ends, to gain power, the lady then proceeded to take Britain back to victorian wage levels and victorian values, with New Labour continuing her ethos 100%, todate.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2008, 07:10:24 PM »

Oh! Boy!  Whatsoever Margaret Thatcher actually DID!!
Blair followed suit, as does Brown!! Perhaps the man/Woman has not been Born yet, that is Capable of taking this Our Country ---- OUT OF THE CESS PIT!!
 But?? To give you the opportunity to Go Forward??
 Who would YOU suggest, that could possibly rectify this countries problems?? -- I can see no real strength, in any potencial leader Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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