Not control,but love and guidance,who wants to be a control freak !

One of the problems also is the fact that a lot of parents genuinely believe that their own children are well behaved -and don't smoke, underage drink etc etc - sadly the true fact is that a lot of children do not act at all in the way their parents believe.  Kids do get pressure from their peers and when they're out with a group they often act in a way their parents wouldn't believe - but I don't know what the answer is - I don't think youth has changed much over the years, however, in our younger days there was no drug problem on the scale of today - I firmly believe that a lot of the troubles are caused by drug dependence - but I don't know the answer.

Discipline and Responcibility Begins at Home!! Allowing that both parents have to work,It must be 'Rare' that as a Family -- They all meet?? --- No one 'forces' this young generation to take drugs, and create the problems they do??
Such as 'Disturbing and Upsetting' other, Innocent persons who may well become ----- Victims!!
It may well be there is No Positive answer or even a Deterent?? So meanwhile?? The 'situation can only get Worse??

Michael I don't know where you can find such a forum, but I'm giving private lessons and my pupils are between 11 and 19 years old and I always had young collegues. You ask how elderly people are treated - in Germany it depends on the elderly people. You know someone being 60 in age can be in mind already 80 and vice versa. As to my young collegues I can only say that we got well on. However, as everywhere I think it's depending on the example parents give.
Naturally, if you take the bus or train in Germany, no young boy or girl will get up and offer you his/her place. They tell you that they have paid the same amount for taking it than you - but I think that's due to the antiautoritan education of our youngsters.
Phoenix, you ask how it is possible that children behave well when both parents are working. I think it depends on the parents - even if they both work they still have time to listen to the problems of their children and that is, as far as I know the problem. Parents nowadays have their own problems and no time and inclination to listen to the problems of their children.

Try google michael put in young peoples forums

I dont think you will like the kids forums michael   they dont accept as easily as us

When you are young you just repress old age - there are such a lot of new and more interesting things - you are always busy and always on the "search" - you don't want to miss anything. When you have reached our age you realise that only few things in live are absolutely necessary and that you are seldom missing something.