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Michael
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Reply #60 on:
March 24, 2008, 12:47:37 PM »
Mac, Read my posting again.
I also believe that pensioners ( rich or poor ) should get a decent state pension linked to national prosperity through the earnings link.
What im saying is that many richer pensioners, particularly here in the South West, are apathetic to their poorer counterparts.
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mac
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March 24, 2008, 06:01:43 PM »
Michael
My husband and I didnt fritter our money,we thought that was the best thing to do at the time,some of my friends had a good lifestyle,and a life too for that matter,now they are looked after and we suffer for it !this is why they are apathetic !
All I can say is I will never trust a politician again !
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ansu
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March 24, 2008, 06:52:48 PM »
Mac, in Germany if you fritter your money and you don't have any money left when you are old or you must go into a home for old people, the government, i.e. all Germans, have to care for you - if you get a small pension you can apply for an extra support (to get the same amount as people receiving income support) and if you must go in a nursing home the government has to pay for you.
That's not really just, but it's legal.
I have worked in the department dealing with income support for two years.
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mac
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Reply #63 on:
March 24, 2008, 09:48:56 PM »
Teri,do they have to sell their houses to pay for all this too,thats is if you didnt fritter it away and had a house or savings.Wish I could turn the clock back !
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Phoenix
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March 24, 2008, 10:21:01 PM »
Last Year!! Senior citizens, going into 'care homes' had to sell their homes to pay for their keep?? 40,000 Homes was thus Sold. These persons had already paid their full taxes throughout their lives!! -- Whilst 'othere's' coming IN - Receive everything, Totally Free of any charge!!
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Michael
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Reply #65 on:
March 25, 2008, 03:40:32 PM »
Phoenix, When Tony Blair was in opposition and the Tories were in Government, Tony Blair said that he did not want his children growing up in a country where elderly people were forced to sell their homes to pay for residential care, what im saying is that Thatcher stared all this off.
Regarding outsiders. Britain has long held it's hand of friendship out to other countries, it is why we are refered to as "Great Britain".
Personally I do believe that charity should begin at home, but what politically party is going to stop our benevolent's
to everyone else ?
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Michael
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Reply #66 on:
March 25, 2008, 03:44:15 PM »
mac, It is called the welfare state. This may sound a stupid question, but what is it that is making you suffer, and that welfare claiments arent. ?
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mac
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Reply #67 on:
March 25, 2008, 11:47:26 PM »
Sorry Michael but you asked for it
I am bitter that i have paid into all that they say i should pay into to make my old age better,and they conned me !and my dear husband who never got anything.
I would have been better off if i had not paid in and got all the benefits.Do you know that some of my friends are just £2 over the limit for benefits,and they really struggle,to make ends meet.They say to the DHSS keep it !!! but they wont do that. I am better off without it and thats true they would be,their rates would be paid at a saving of £1300.00.
Most of the welfare claimants are of working age,but choose to have babies instead which is a meal ticket for them,but I do understand that some men walk away knowing that the family will be taken care of by the tax payer.All this and the genuine person (who pays it)_is forgotten !
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Phoenix
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March 26, 2008, 01:34:47 AM »
Michael,The Welfare state, is only for those that 'chose' not to work, for those that 'chose' to have babies, and for the great influx of othere persons!! -- It now 'pays' Not to own one's own Home?? We Suffer, because of unfair payments and low pensions!! --I am aware that mrs. thatcher did away with 'Index linked pensions' and also included the 'wives' working income, to 'assist' in buying a home?? What she may not have envisaged, is the Taking back of the home, when a family comes along?? --- Blair, in all his innocense?? could have altered all that -- In His TEN Years ?? --- All Pensioners should receive the same Pension, comparable to Those living in europe!! IF?? We are Supposed to be ALL EQUAL!! Think I had better Stop, though I could say so much more, in The defence of The Senior Citizens that Receive A Pension!!
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Michael
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Reply #69 on:
March 26, 2008, 01:26:16 PM »
Asked for what Mac ?, You have said nothing that I have'nt heard a million times in my 20 year search for "rights for the elderly".
Everthing you describe began "as a matter of policy" under the Thatcher/Major years, there is no getting away from this, it just did, and New Labour have embraced it.
Our Social welfare system is devisery, it is meant to be devisery, it is meant to devide people, the young from the old, the old from the young. It is an arrogant system.
It is what the late and former, whom I refere to, as a decent one nation Conservative, Ted Heath, used to say was " the unacceptable face of capitalism", that of the pure greed that is running this country, but in my view most people just have not seen it coming because we are not a political interested, or motivated nation.
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Michael
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Reply #70 on:
March 26, 2008, 03:52:17 PM »
Phoenix, Thatcher also stopped building council houses, and introdced a low waged economy, and the welfare state is for everybody who finds themselves unemployed, of which there are many today due to our jobs constantly moving over seas in the global economy.
Jobs in Britain are now short term, low waged , and insecure, they were not in our day, when I left school in 1963 aged 15, I got work and went from job to job, just like that, no problem, today there are far too many peopl out of work, and far too few jobs, plus housing costs ect are too expensive to come out of the avaliable wages, hence means tested housing benefit if you have no other recourse.
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Michael
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Reply #71 on:
March 26, 2008, 03:54:19 PM »
Phoenix, Blair came in on the Thatcher ticket, and there New Labour have stayed under Gordon Brown.
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mac
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March 26, 2008, 05:03:21 PM »
Its the politicians who are greedy ! most of them are on the fiddle !!
You should ask yourself why in twenty years you have achieved no seat in parliament its all down to whom you know !
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Michael
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March 26, 2008, 05:14:50 PM »
I joined the Labour party in the early 1990's for the first time, I joined as an activist to help bring a Labour Government to power and uphold state pensions for the elderly by restoring the link with earnings, but in 1997 when Blair and Brown embraced Thatcherite economics, I withdrew my membership and Labour where I live, folded, the rest is history.
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Phoenix
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March 27, 2008, 01:12:01 AM »
Last piece for tonight??? blair and thatcher was/are as different as chalk and cheese. The main 'Theme' is that blair had ten years to correct, any 'misgivings' and failed to do so, after all -- he had his 'Armour Plated car to protect himself --- From What
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