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ansu
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« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2007, 01:51:22 PM »

To save costs Germans try to stay at home as long as possible. However, if you don't have any family or good friends living nearby the day may be very long. A carer comes in the morning, then you get your meal by an organisation and a carer comes again in the evening and the rest of the day you lie in bed or sit in a wheel chair. My aunt prefered to move into a home for senior citizens - there they offered some activities for old people and there were people you could talk to - however, such a home has its price.
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« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2007, 08:16:19 PM »

Similarities of here too!! - Elderly people, have a lot of Pride and Dignity, not wanting to become a Liability for their children, or The State. -  Should 'they' have to reside in a 'Residential Home' -- Their own property has to be Sold, to help Pay The Expences, --Till The Money Runs Out!!-- A number of those residential homes have been, 'condemed'  for their neglet of their Patients, even giving Drugs, to keep them ---- quiet?? -- Why do the Homes, keep their Patients inactive?? Patients really are People, even though Age has caught them up!! -- They still require a reasonable - "Quality Of Life"  Their ---- Entitlement.
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« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2007, 09:57:14 PM »

True Mac, I live in one,I am fortunate in as much I can afford to pay bue not an excessive amount. We also have an council estate of bungalows for the elderly, those who can afford to pay do, those that cant dont.
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« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2007, 11:30:17 PM »

same here Teri
but where the crux comes in is
some have to pay others dont depends on your means of income,again thats not fair,if you have worked hard and been frugal you are penalised,
I say all pensioners should be they same with the same money same benefits.
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« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2007, 03:21:07 PM »

Totally Impossible!!  As our Country is now so 'split up' How can The Same Standards, -- Apply?? -- I have long believed that ALL Pensioner's should be treated Equally!!
 So just Why, does it Not Happen?? -- Would it not be Benificial??
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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2007, 02:00:24 PM »

nothing is impossible phoenix
I beleive it can be done in a much fairer way for all.
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« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2007, 03:49:41 PM »

Hi Mac, Quite So!! -- If?? How?? When??
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« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2007, 05:08:35 PM »

my opinion wont matter phoenix
but here goes anyway
one pension set at a living wage
no poll tax or at least little
no tax after retirement
free insulation for all not just some
no means testing for pensioners

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« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2007, 07:48:18 PM »

If all pensioners would get the same amount of pension and benefits those who have worked all their life and paid into the system would get the same amount of pensions as those that have not at all worked or only a very short time - where is there equality and justice?
I think in this respect our German system isn't so bad - the only disadvantage is that the system has not enough money and that the pensions are gradually reduced, i.e. our children will get much less than we get and they will have to save money for their old age when they are still young.
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« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2007, 09:53:44 PM »

Hi mac, The idea is there?? But we all know there is No such thing as ---- Equality!! That Saying?? "Some are More Equal Than Othere's" is True!! -- As Pensioner's?? Wonder just How much Taxes, we pay out in each week, from our Pension?? -- As for 'Insulation' Roof etc: - our's is still the old stuff. No we do not Qualify for any discount, neither can we afford to have it done.!!!!!!!!

 Hi Teri, That is good thinking!!  If Only! we did receive an acceptable level of pension?? - Sure, there would still be some that would Complain??  --Why should those that have not Worked, receive the same as those of us, that have worked all our lives ---- For What Huh?
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« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2007, 11:47:20 AM »

it appears Terri from what you say, that your country is vitually the same as ours. What do they spend the money on.I wonder , if we didnt have troops in Afghan and Iraq, would we be any better off,I doubt it. Terri, did you find when you adopted the euro, you were better or worse off.
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« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2007, 04:43:10 PM »

William, I believe you are right!!  Germany and Britain seem quite Similar, in so many ways. That must be good??
 With regard to our Troops being in, Afgan and Iraq??  Not sure if things will get better, but I really do feel for The Loss of our Soldiers. Fighting, for what is not, our war!! -- The Money?? would possibly be spent on something, that does not benifit, our people??  Our soldiers married quarter's, so The Media states, are in a disgusting state of repair!!
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« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2007, 06:12:17 PM »

the system would get If all pensioners would get the same amount of pension and benefits those who have worked all their life and paid into the same amount of pensions as those that have not at all worked or only a very short time - where is there equality and justice?
I think in this respect our German system isn't so bad - the only disadvantage is that the system has not enough money and that the pensions are gradually reduced, i.e. our children will get much less than we get and they will have to save money for their old age when they are still young.
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« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2007, 06:19:15 PM »

Sorry I am supposed to put that in the reply lol ( the above)
Hi Teri
That is why I think all pensioners should get the same if they havent worked or if they have,the ones that worked have usually got a private pension.I dont think it is fair when you have worked and pay tax till you die just because you worked.
I dont think its fair either to give some pensioners rebates and not others,I think it should be all or none !
I think here we are penalised for being frugal with our earnings while others waste it.
If I had my time again I would do things a little differently.
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« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2007, 06:37:25 PM »

Dont forget that some of the richest people in this country are pensioners, Would you exempt them from income tax. I think there should be a ceiling, if your income is below say 10.000 no tax payable. Maybe you a different fiqure in mind.
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