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herbertina
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« on: June 15, 2010, 08:41:13 AM »

CAN I ASK A QUESTION OR TWO AND BEFORE YOU ANSWER THINK ABOUT IT.

If you came to visit me at my house you wouldn?t come in and move all my furniture around, take my ornaments off the sideboard and put them away because you don?t like the colour pink or rearrange my kitchen cupboards, tell me how to cook, or go so far as to completely change my food cupboard because I am eating all the wrong food.

Now would you do that?

Here is another question

If Mr Smith across the road bought your old settee off you and failed to cough up the ?400 he agreed to pay, would you tell Mr Hardiman next door who is a known bully ?you give me a ?100 and you can then own that debt and you can collect and keep whatever he pays you.?
Now would you do that?

Yet that is just what does happen.

the first is happening daily and the second think about banks and financial establishments and what they do with debts large and small.
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Hammer
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 11:28:51 AM »

I would not trust any institution where money is concerned let alone a bank.
Insurance companies are probably far worse with the strokes they pull on the public. 
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 09:34:35 PM »

what I was trying to point out in the last question was the fact that banks and other financial institutions are allowed to sell debts to credit management companies a fancy name for debt collectors who pay small sums for these debts and hike up the figure with charges and then use bully boy tactics to get the money out of you. and unless you fight back get  away with it
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herbertina
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 06:35:52 AM »

I love this a real debate, the simple answer is NO.

In the case you describe that is a real hardnut debtor, and not even courts or debt collectors will phase him, but you look at the other side of the coin.

Mrs Jones has credit cards small loan and she is paying everything as she should on time required payments, she regular and reliable then suddenly she loses her job, her age is against her but she tries very hard to get back to work, she is struggling to pay her bills especially her commitments, then she gets a payment plan worked out and she can pay her bills albeit smaller amounts,but she is back reiable and regular, however, she is now poorly and won't work again. so she has to retire sooner than she wanted.

credit card sells her debt to a nasty hard nosed debt collection management company for a fraction of the debt and they begin to put serious pressure on Mrs Jones whose health is not good and indeed gets worse.

it isn't the professional debtor that you described that these people go after no it's the Mr and Mrs Jones of this world, the easy targets and I deal with situations like this every day.

Financial institutions and banks should not be allowed to sell debts like that, in fact had banks and credit card companies and other financial institutions been a little more careful and stopped making borrowing quite so easy then probably we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.
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ansu
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »

One of my friends is a former banker and many years ago when we reproached his "institution" that they gave credits to people without having thoroghly checked their financial situation and possibility to pay them back he told us that he always tried to do this, but usually people went to another bank where they got the desired credit much more easily.
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herbertina
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2010, 04:11:32 PM »

Having spent many years dealing with credit control and now helping where I can with bad debts, I know what these credit collection companies can and will do, you can tell them until you are blue in the face that you are in financial difficulties or what your circumstances are they ignore all that and keep on with the bullying, I have a very neat line in letters to these people and generally after a while they get the message.

In the last few years you couldn't go from bank to bank trying to get credit cards because any credit scoring checks showed that up, then it became so easy that you didn't need to because the first one you tried generally gave it to you, now we are all a little wiser.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2010, 04:54:51 PM »

A little wiser and a lot poorer   Herb
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macushla
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 10:50:21 PM »

My parents always told me to steer clear of debt
I did,I only bought what I could afford,it worked.
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Maegan
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 07:56:38 AM »

I was once persuaded to buy a computer on six months interest free - you spread the cost in six equal payments with no interest.  Within a few weeks I got a call from a company I have never heard of and someone I had never spoken to before announced he was my "financial adviser".  I disabused him of that notion and went to the shop and paid the balance.  For quite a while after I received so much junk mail offering me credit that I went on the Mail Preference List to stop it.  It did me a good turn in the end because I never bothered with credit again. 
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tilly
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 09:15:26 AM »

The flip side of this is if you have no credit rating then it can hold you back , my brother lived at home for some time , when it came to him moving out to rent his own house , there was no  history of him because he had paid cash for everything , the estate agent took ages to accept  him,

 
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Maegan
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2010, 01:54:38 PM »

Hello Tilly  Smiley  Yes, you are right, seems the more you borrow the more willing credit companies are to lend you more.  The interest rates on store cards is horrendous!
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Phoenix
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2010, 05:14:00 PM »

No need to worry there. Now you too, can be equal to the Royals,  They have No credit rating, as they always pay cash --  at least the government does - for them.
Best Not to have credit, but wait untill you can afford the item. It is more easily appreciated then and not going to 'wear out' as soon as the item is paid off.
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macushla
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2010, 08:30:22 PM »

Daft isnt it
if you have no credit rating then you are debt free surely !
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Phoenix
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2010, 10:47:00 PM »

That does make sense, but if you borrow, there is also the Interest to pay back as well -- If one can afford it all.
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herbertina
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2010, 07:08:18 AM »

Neither a borrower nor a lender be

My Nan's saying, in those days you didn't have H.P you saved for what you wanted or bought second hand.

Here's story for you, in the old fashioned benefit office about 25 years ago, I am discussing benefits and getting back to work and the woman (sorry girl) next to me very much pregnant is being given an almost open cheque to go to mothercare to buy her baby things, pram etc, I was absolutely furious, yes no wedding ring, but the more serious point I have a wedding ring (nearly 44years) but when my children came along I bought a pram, second hand,both sets of grandparents kitting the baby out, the only brand new thing was the cot, I was married and we were both earning, and paid our way, and that example is still going on now, some things never change
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