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Rie
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« on: January 09, 2007, 10:16:11 AM »

UK pensions are the measliest in Europe
The state pension is worse in Britain than in any other European country, according to a report yesterday.
Countries such as Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Slovakia were all said to give their pensioners a better deal.
http://tinyurl.com/ygcv5j


There's a surprise, why don't we all go there and give up England to them , then we can make another England there....well I know what I mean. Wink

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brinko7

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 12:34:18 PM »

Well on the face of it that has been so for sometime ! However one needs to consider the total package and then  things are not quite what they seem in the comparisons I have made whilst trvelling in Eastern Europe !

Again I repeat  my observation in a previous post ;-

By the end of this year there will be more  aged  60+ in Britain than  16+   --- 60  !

This is something of a facer when considering the financing of increases.
This does not mean i will not join the clamour for more  !  Could certainly do with it  especially for those less fortunate than myself,

It does however highlight why genuine migrant  workers  have an important part to play in our economy !  I can hear the gasps over that one --- but if   it were not so then we will be in dire straights !
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Rie
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 01:19:18 PM »

No we wouldn't be in dire straights because there wouldn't be so many people to do things for, health, etc. Our own people would do the work that they used to do before the world came here, we would have more money because there would be less people to share it amongst and it would be worthwhile the kids getting trained for jobs because they would be able to do them, as it is now, there's not much point, degrees are 10 a penny, and you can't get work if you have one, too many people chasing jobs or over qualified. A choice of work would be an option not take what you can and as Rosie so rightly pointed out, they've always known about this and still they let more folk into the UK without doing anything.
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brinko7

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 05:25:43 PM »

I think you are missing the point Val    -- it just does not work like that !

Would that it were so simple !

Yes  I too remember when the Atlas was largely covered in red !
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Rie
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 05:56:52 PM »

 Grin  Yes it could work like that, what is stopping it? the simplest way is always the best, I'm sure politicians make things difficult on purpose. Wink
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brinko7

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 06:18:02 PM »

Well If things were really simple none of us would grow old anyway !
everyone would take in everyone elses washing and get paid for it  and we could  look forwward  to our rewards in heaven where we could all doss around  plucking harps  !

Funny ole world  in it   ?

It is a beautiful one  none the less  for all its heartaches
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cassie

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2007, 01:14:35 AM »

Oh don't worry leave it to the youngsters they know every thing any way ?
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Rie
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2007, 07:29:19 AM »

I already do take in everyones washing, well it certainly seems like it. Wink
Why wouldn't we grow old if things were simple?    I don't know men do make complications, if there's an easy way it can't be right and we've all seen men do it. Standing by the road looking at a hole, ...oh yeah, it wasn't there yesterday, wonder who made it, how did that happen, instead of just filling it in , its a discussion about the whys and wherefores , can't they talk about it as they go along.its probably that old multi task thing, no wonder after 60 years they still haven't worked out there are more older folk. Roll Eyes Wink
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Michael
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2007, 07:46:45 PM »

Hi, Im Michael, I was 59 on April 10th, and have been a campaigner for UK pensioners full state pension right for 19 years.

UK state pensions are the meanest in Europe, because Europe revere their elderly people, we do not.

Europe's much higher state pensions are funded through the use of much more of Europe's Gross National Product, ie 12 per cent compared to our 5 per cent.

There is a petition for UK state pensions to be brought in line with Europe, on the Downing Street web site, it was put there by Christine Abram, who is a Link-Age/Countrywide supporter, an apolitical pensions pressure group I founded in 2000, we have no membership fee and have UK wide support.

The petition is up for one year and needs all the support it can get, so I urge all who sign it to please tell their friends and family.  The petition is headed, "Abolish means testing for pensioners" by Christine Abram, and I urge people to sign this petition, it is up for one year.

If anybody wants to contact me, they can e.mail me direct, at, michaelthompsonmcgill@hotmail.co.uk
and following all e.mails I will attach further information on Link-Age/countrywide, and the pensioners issue.

If enough people sign this petition it is hoped that this will force the government and the media to take notice.

Regards
Michael


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Michael
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2007, 10:09:02 AM »

There is a 40 billion "surplus" in the National Insurance fund that could be used to increase state pensions.

The government spend much more money on the Pensions Credit, than it would cost to uprate state pensions universially.

IE, In Gordon Brown's first three years, 1997-2000, he spent 840 million pounds "more" means testing pensioners than it would have cost to increase the satate pension substantially, I am aware that this amount is nothing compared to tyhe wealth of this country, which goes to prove how how little Gordon Brown is spending on state pensions.

Also the Department of Works and Pensions state that there is 4.2 billion left unclaimed by pensioners in benefits.

Basically an increase in the basic state pension is not about cost, it is about "will", and this government in a continuence of Margaret Thatcher's state pensions policy have not got the "will" to increase state pensions because they are phasing it out as the bedrock of retirement.

Regards
Michael
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Phoenix
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2007, 01:26:32 PM »

Hello Michael, It is a very black picture that you portray to The People, one so many of us are totally aware of, going on for so many years, 'Shouting' and Not being Heard!! -- Petitions, being sighned and possibly ignored.
I am 76 years young and each 5 year period gets worse and worse. Politicions, are just Not Interested in Senior Citizens, except to make 'False' Promices!!
This is The Only Country, known to Man, that Totally Ignores it's Senior Citizens and Hopes 'They' will go away!!
So much for 'Equality' since 1972 when ALL, E.E.Countries should and would be Equal?? -- I cannot forsee any change, in the Future!! Only that next April, our pension 'Purchasing Power' will Go Down, Yet Again!!
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2007, 03:42:16 PM »

Hi, Yes it is a bleak picture, and it is one that a large percentage of British pensioners have been ignoring since Margaret Thatcher's government broke the state pensions link to earnings in 1980, 27 years ago.

Because even pensioners are devided on this cause, mainly due to political affiliation, infighting within groups, I know, ive been a witness in my 19 years campaigning.

But we cannot just continue to be apathetic, we must try and do things, to get involved, something we Brit's are useless at, "consolidation", unlike the European's who have "consolidation" in their culture.

I would ask you to please sign the petition, it certainly can't hurt, we have to do something.

Please go to Downing Street Petitions.

Click on 10 Downing Street.
""    ""  Petition the PM
""    ""  View Petitions
"     ""  Government/Politics, and Admin'
Top of the page ( Search petitions )write in
"Abolish means testing of pensioners"
Then click onto "Petition to:  "To bring an end to means testing of pensioners, by Christine Abram of Link-Age/Countrywide.

This petition is up for one year, if enough people sign it, the government and the media will be forced to highlight the issue, so please tell your friends and relatives.

Regards
Michael
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2007, 07:58:59 PM »

Hello Michael, Yes. I will sign the petition although I personally doubt if any real Issue will evolve from it:

There are 11 million senior citizens, in this country !!  An overwelming Majority -- But as we now are 'forced' to accept, the minorities always wins: -- Having played my part, I have now given up as a 'lost cause' = Too many years, banging one's head against a brick wall: Demostrations and Conferences have only been -- Ignored!!
How can The Senior's, really be taken Seriously??
 I Wish All Senior Citizens, Well!!
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Michael
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2007, 10:54:09 AM »

Hi, Yes please sign the petition, and tell your friends and relatives.

If enough people sign the petition, the government and the media will be forced to take notice.

The trouble is that we Brit's are not a consolidated nation, we are not nationalistic accept over football, politically we are largely indifferent, and now truly self centred, and this is why we have the politicians we have, because if we have no regard or self respect for each other, why should our elected representatives in the House of Commons, have any respect for us.

Regards
Michael
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 08:59:43 PM »

Hello Michael, I have sent 'Your Post' to all friends and trust they will sign!!
Britain, is now a Divided nation, By Deliberation!! (The Main 'Thought' is 'foot the ball')-- I can't stand the game:

Ever since 'Common Sense' Died ?? A state of 'apathy' has arisen?? -- There is as you say, No respect and No Disapline, only for the want of more money??
It was not so long ago, that the MPs. gave themselves?? a 25% increase in Their Pensions. Plus £100 per week to help 'Them' Communicate, with their -- Constiuents??
Why should 'They' Bother with the likes of US??

Can You Really See, Any Change Coming, To Benifit The People?? -- I wish, Could it be Possible??
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