Bad habits once in the human system, are hard to eradicate. Take Motorists ??  Too Lazy to Indicate correctly, If at all? Using Mobile Phones Illegal!! Repeated Crimes, most definately Illegal!!  Excess Drink and Drugs etc:
Just what is so wrong with being 'taught' good habits and why is it so hard, to retain those Good habits
 can 'those' people be re - Educated, to be a Good Citizen.
 Not much success so far!!

But dont you think it is easy to cure ?
ban them, dont give them a fine or points on their licence just ban them they will think twice then !
easy peasy !

I f they knew they would lose their home they might just think twice Phoenix !
and lets face it whats a fine..........just money ! the poor dont pay it and the rich dont care.
But the people who fine them get richer ! well someone does.
The people in the middle abide by the rules in the main.
With a little bit of common sense this place could be still sorted.

Money?? To us older ones money is always tight, but for the younger generations it seems that they can get it from anywhere, the source is not important.

So to fine the offenders (Youngsters) it has no effect and anyway they can get a forged licence on the black market.

To destroy their phones would be against their human rights, and to make them homeless, hey there is always a do gooder out there to pull them out of the smelly stuff.

The age of voting is 18. Yet we see drivers on the roads aged 17 years old, they are allowed to drive a piece of equipment that can KILL yet not vote. The law should be changed. Keep the age of voting at 18, I believe that the youth has something to offer society. But the age of holding a full driving licence should be 21, provisional licences can be applied for at the age of 18 and not before. That way for two years 18-21 year olds would be supervised when out on the Road.

There is talk about Children being kept at School until they are 18 years of age, the way I see things if that happens and the laws of the road remain as they are, Schools will be forced into building car parks for said Children to park their cars.

The system require a complete overhaul and be bought up to date with modern Laws and requirements.

Val,I have said many times on this forum that not all the kids are bad this I know for sure.
I agree whole heartedly with them being able to drive at 18,I was married at 18 I could not vote or have a drink,or even get married my dad had to sign.I did not have to get married we were offered a good deal on  a house and we took it,no question of living together then.
As for my boys they would not have been able to do the jobs they chose without a licence,we backed them wholeheartedly.
Its not much fun doing earlies without a car or lates ! I know, I had all this to do on the bus,but I lived in a safer age,when I was in uniform I was respected,no so today.
But I have to say that some of todays parents are very very laxed and this is so sad,and they should learn to deal with it we had to didnt we ? I was fortunate enough to have a good husband to help me,sadly nowadays its mainly single parents and broken homes,what went wrong ? A lot of my friends stuck it out because there was no option,now they are glad,but today its too easy to walk away and leave others to pick up the tab.This is just my opinion and not meant to offend in anyway.

I   dont think things  have   changed  since  i was a lass  ...
Was  born in 1951   ...grew  up with parents who where  old fashioned  really..wouldn'nt  watch  a  couple having a  good  kiss on the  telli lol   ek ...mother, an  dad  would turn  it off  :-\but a lot a  girls got pregnant, ...they  did   dabble in drugs, ...was incest, an adultery ..was bullies, the  difference  was  ya never heard a lot of  what was going on , wasn't in ya  face  like it is  now...
Kids today get to much to soon  an  don't really have a  childhood ...Some  mothers  carn't   wait to get  the   girls in high  heels  an a  bit a  lippy ..

Funny that Joe,I dont remember any incest or sexual abuse,adn it must have gone on.
Gone are the days when children were seen and not heard !

Sorry if my post seemed to be having a go at the Children of today, it wasnt meant to be like that.

The way I see things might be different, but when you are told that your Child will be made to stay in the education (School) system until they reach 18 years old then something has gone drastically wrong with the system. Are they saying that Children arnt as mature as we were when we left School at 15 or even younger? Are they covering their mistakes up by upping the School leaving age?

I am not blaming the Children for what is happening, the Parents of the children must hold the responcibilities of their off spring. Yes the said parent can and do blame the Government because they arnt allowed to do this that or the other to discipline the Children when they are young. The Children grow up and have no respect for society and things go wrong, as we all read and hear about on the news media's.

I see every day of my life young girls as young as 13 pushing babies around in pushchairs, yes I always offer help when I think they could do with some help, but you get told too often to F*^" of and mind your own business.

I still offer help to people of my own age and older, I open doors, and offer my seat on a bus to the same. Again I have offered my seat on a bus to the younger generation of females, only to told F*^" off you perv or words to that effect. So sadly I have seen the demise of manners and respect over the years.

Yes there were back in my childhood days women  (Married and single) having babies that wernt their husbands or boyfriends. My youngest Brother turned out to be my half Brother, the truth didnt come out untill I was in my late 30's, but Mum and Dad stayed together and coped with it, maybe Dad didnt know. Today I know one particulr woman that has six children, now you might think that is normal in this day and age, but each one of her Children has a different Dad, Goodness knows what its like in her house on a Saturday afternoon when all the Dads turn up to see their respective off spring, I would love to be a fly on the wall.