Not Dead Yet - Forum

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same old trenches, same old view
same old rats as blooming tame
same old dugouts, nothing new
same old smell the very same
same old bodies out in front
same old "strafe" from two till four
same old scratching, same old 'unt
same old bloody war

A A Milne

Lovely photo Betty
Thank God its over !

That's really a wonderful photo and we all can thank God that we have the chance of living in a better world.

For those who Died --- Would 'They' Agree with you ??
 I personally, Think Not!! -- Even criminals are Treated Better than Ex- Service Personnel and Those 'survivors' now living on a pittance, penelised, for their part they played -- Would most certainly Not Agree!! ----
 At Least the 1960s. was more Stable than Now!!
 IN THIS COUNTRY!!

Phoenix, if the world - or at least the conditions of living in Europe - didn't get better, why did they die? Since I'm retired I'm dealing a lot with history and I think in Europe we never had such a long period of peace and such a great number of people that are keen on living in peace together.

Maybe they have learnt Teri thats wars no matter who wins,there are always losers on both sides.

Whilst Europe Enjoy's relative PEACE??  The Problem lies as even in the bible states, The Eastern factor??
 Peace there is definately an unknown quantity??

No and why - because men say what has to be done and their honour and pride is the most important thing in the world!

ONLY TO THE LEADER'S OF ALL COUNTRIES , DOES THIS APPLY!!
 NOT TO THEIR PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEWY HAVE NO SAY!!

Yeh for sure Teri I will buy that !
so equality is needed there !

Phoenix, that's only partly true. The mentality of people in the Middle East is quite different from ours. When I was still working we sold our goods also to Arabs. Their way of thinking is different and pride and honour are very important for them. Look at our Turks here in Germany, often young girls are murdered by their brothers, because they fell in love with a German or with a Turk that seems to be unsuitable for the family. In the family the boys who murder their sisters are heros, for us they are murderers.

Thats awful Teri
Crazy word isnt it ?
Whats it all about.........surely not religion ?.....power maybe.............if they want to intergrate in this country and the rest of Europe ....they must conform,or go home.

A matter of principals ?? Honour ?? Religion ?? Logic ??
Commonsense ??  Power ?? Equality ?? Some are more equal than othere's!! Such is the world of today!! Unstable!!

True, Mac, it's crazy. But they are considered to save the honour of the family and the name of the family. As I said, it's just a different mentality. Moreover, you shouldn't forget all those Turkish girls that are sent back to Turkey to be married at an early age. We have so-called "women houses" where women which are abused or badly treated by their husbands find shelter. There are to be found more and more Turkish girls fleeing from their parents and families, because they want to marry them with a husband in Turkey they never have seen before.
As you see, there's still a long way to integration!

So do we need all their problems in Eu Teri,we have enough of our own.We have only recently got equality,do you think they would understand that anyway ?
The Eu should not let them in untill they have it we are a modern world here if they want it they comply.

True, but they just see what an enormous market is awaiting them when they have joined the EU. However, as far as I know there are many European countries which are for postponing their joining the EU.

Wish it was us brits coming out they are welcome to it !

Why does this country need the E.C. ::) ::)
There is a World Wide Market!! Most of our Imported Goods are from The East!! -- Just what have we?? To SELL???
 Except our country???? Which is being taken over!!

Not at all Phoenix. You have got brother and sisters on the continent lol!

Not In The faintest of Dreams!! I have absolutely No Desire, to accept that which I Do Not Recognise!!

You!! Should be living here to understand, at least some of 'OUR' Feelings. I Live In England!!