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...now that I will have to pay £25 to drive into the smokey congestion area in London - if we charged the people who live in that area £50 to travel into our less congested cleaner air part of the country????  You have to laugh at these ideas don't you - if the congestion which is causing unhealthy conditions in London was taken seriously, traffic would be banned - but as it is it's Ok to polute the area if you're prepared to pay a tax on it.  Wonder what's next - a license to be a binge drinker - or maybe a burglar would be prepared to pay a special tax - maybe if joyriders got themselves licensed it would raise quite a bit of revenue for the government.  One thing you can be sure of, none of it would be allocated to OAP.s - I know we get free bus travel but for a lot of people without any extra private income that just means that they can be hungry on a bus as easily as at home.  Just in case anyone hasn't spotted it - I'm a bit fed up with the way pensioners are treated...

Cheers All,

Ian

Hello C.B. very interesting reading!!  Most of us will undoubtedly, share those 'thoughts'--  be careful about giving this government -- Ideas?? -- perhaps I should say??

The Common Purpose Organisation!! which is a Criminal Organisation That Abuses Government Posts For gain!!

Never hears of The "COMMON PURPOSE ORGANISATION" -- IT REALLY DOES EXCIST SO I AM TOLD?? I could send you the e-mail, should you require more information!! -- Too much to post on here, even IF allowed!!

This country is MAD !!!!    ......as a hatter

Hi Mac,  The Country is not mad! Only The People in Power!!
Can You name one thing that has been put Right, in the last Decade or more ??

No ! not without giving with one hand and taking with the other !

"  The Real Pleasure, is in Giving" ?????????
   But in saying that?? Do 'They' really have to take --
   'twice' as much  ::) ::) ::)

my son has a company car...........pleasure of giving
but he cant use it in london........give with one hand take with the other
so the wife uses it for shopping lol ;D

" Gone Are The Good Olde Days" -- Killed off by the people, when 'common sense' Died, No one attended The Funeral  ::) ::) ::)

These are the good old days to the young of today.
Too much doom and gloom on this forum at the moment, we cant expect to attract new members until we stop living in the past. it is now up to the younger generation to alter things.We can talk and dream of the past but as fat as I am concerned, live for the present and make the most of it.

Quite true William,but this site is for the over fifties, I think, so you wont get any youngsters in.hey we dont even get many elderly !
This site is what we make it and we alone !
Since when have the young cared about anything,thats what being young is all about William......they are our future !
we can only guide them X :-*
no offence meant.

Have to agree with Mac here. I am pleased this Forum is just for the over 50s. To 'listen' to their stories and experiances of life. -- The younger generation just don't want to be on the same 'wavelength' and we can't blame them.-- They are or should be, responcible for their own lives and the way they chose to live??  Possibly they will also have Their over 50s Forum, in years to come?? --
 When they relinguish, Drink and Sex --- or whatever else they think about  ::) ::) ::) -- Do They Want To Be Guided, would they accept any advice  ::) ::)

We havnt, and we dont want any young on here, they have thier own site.Mac you say this forum is what we make it, true, so i think we should forget the doom and gloom and discus things in a more lighthearted manner.
Pheonix quotes drugs and sex amongst the young, of course it exists, but only of a minority.I have familt, you have family Mac, my family has family, none of whom are on drugs, i certainly dont know of any youngsters in this village on drugs.
back in the good old days can you remember the mods and rockers,going about in gangs, fighting and causing dqamage wherever the went.

Yes I do William and the Teddy boys but nothing like today

here is a thought........
do you think the kids of today behave badly for attention..
attention they dont get at home..............
food for thought.
maybe thats why our kids and grandkids are ok ?

Mac, You have something there??  There is not The Domestic Family life as we knew it and no doubt some really are looking for attention, maybe even some help ?? Thank whoever for the good behaviour of my children, grandchildren and greatgrandchildren!! I am thankful!!

I agree that 90% of the problems with young today is, lacl of parental control.Is the answer then to punish the parents. Maybe if the punishment was harsh enough, they might, just might pay more attention to them.

Hello William, Now that I definately agree with. Lack of Parental Control!! -- So just how does The problem get Reversed?? -- The Parents cannot 'administer' any punishment, for any 'misdemeanors'?? The Children can go for Prosecuting, their parents?? -- Consequently, The Ball is in the 'Youngsters Court'??? nothing can be altered be 'sweet talk' - There must be a deterent, severe enough to warrant 'I Must Not Misbehave'  ::)It is with no doubt, that Disipline and punishment, should be brought back Now!!

Not control,but love and guidance,who wants to be a control freak !

Who would Give It?? -- How would It be Accepted ??

One of the problems also is the fact that a lot of parents genuinely believe that their own children are well behaved -and don't smoke, underage drink etc etc - sadly the true fact is that a lot of children do not act at all in the way their parents believe.  Kids do get pressure from their peers and when they're out with a group they often act in a way their parents wouldn't believe - but I don't know what the answer is - I don't think youth has changed much over the years, however, in our younger days there was no drug problem on the scale of today - I firmly believe that a lot of the troubles are caused by drug dependence - but I don't know the answer.

I agree with that CB
drugs and alcohol have a lot to answer for.
but mostly lack of disciplin.

Discipline and Responcibility Begins at Home!! Allowing that both parents have to work,It must be 'Rare' that as a Family -- They all meet?? --- No one 'forces' this young generation to take drugs, and create the problems they do??
Such as 'Disturbing and Upsetting' other, Innocent persons who may well become ----- Victims!!
It may well be there is No Positive answer or even a Deterent?? So meanwhile?? The 'situation can only get Worse??

Where can I find a younger person's forum ? I want to talk to them about how elderly people are treated, and find out what they think.

Michael I don't know where you can find such a forum, but I'm giving private lessons and my pupils are between 11 and 19 years old and I always had young collegues. You ask how elderly people are treated - in Germany it depends on the elderly people. You know someone being 60 in age can be in mind already 80 and vice versa. As to my young collegues I can only say that we got well on. However, as everywhere I think it's depending on the example parents give.
Naturally, if you take the bus or train in Germany, no young boy or girl will get up and offer you his/her place. They tell you that they have paid the same amount for taking it than you - but I think that's due to the antiautoritan education of our youngsters.
Phoenix, you ask how it is possible that children behave well when both parents are working. I think it depends on the parents - even if they both work they still have time to listen to the problems of their children and that is, as far as I know the problem. Parents nowadays have their own problems and no time and inclination to listen to the problems of their children.

Granted!! Today's parents, do have problems that'differed' from our's when we was in our 30s. - This is relative to the High costs of mortgages, food and services and not all the young, help in supporting their parents?? Othere's tend to ignor any advice from their parents and want to go their own way?? Famies are not as close Today!!

Michael,There must be lots of Young people's forums. I don't know any, but I wish You Luck and trust, some will converse??

Try google michael put in young peoples forums

I'm not sure whether young people forums are interested in mummies like us, one of the favourite expressions of my children when they were a bit younger "the mummy express" is arriving when the birthday guests of my aunt arrived.

I dont think you will like the kids forums michael   they dont accept as easily as us

The point of issue here is! Are the younger generation, really interested in the living standards of Today ??
Are they interested in 'learning' from the 'elderly' ??
Are they concerned about 'their' future ??
Do they feel the government should look after them??
Do they understand what a Pension is for ??

The 'attitude' that some 'project' is, absolutely Not!!

When you are young you just repress old age - there are such a lot of new and more interesting things - you are always busy and always on the "search" - you don't want to miss anything. When you have reached our age you realise that only few things in live are absolutely necessary and that you are seldom missing something.

Hello Teri, When 'we' where young and Working, there was a wonderful challenge about life -- The fun and excitement of progression!! Old age was in The future and we was too busy. There was Standards, Disipline and Respect all sadly missing now. We were 'achievers' and proud!! ----
 For the young of today?? I am not really sure, just what there is for them, Now and in the Future!! -- Except, being Bored!!

Phoenix, have you ever checked why they are bored? There's the computer, there's TV, there's this and that, but there's no challenge for them.
If a child expresses a wish, parents immediately try to make it true.
When I was a child I still was able to be happy about "little things".
German pupils are often very bored - why - because there are so few motivated teachers and if a teacher is motivated it may be that a number of parents doesn't agree with his work.

Yes you are quite right Teri
I think kids would love nothing more than to be able to play out and go to the parks,what I mean is mix wiht kids their own ages and not be with adults all the time,(Iam talking younger kids here)All the street games have gone from here now,you never see kids out playing games anymore,and that cant be right.

In Germany they play games on the computer or they chat with their friends on the computer - what a world!

How absolutely Boring for the 'Kids'??  when their only life, is on the computer?? -- Kids cannot play out, because they might be abducted !! Playing Outside?? Just don't see that anymore -- So!! No Fresh Air and No Excersize???? Just putting on weight by eating the wrong food?? ----- What a Boring life for them??

Some of them do play netball and football and dancing,but dont go into the street to play anymore

Mac, Yes. Some do play organised games and that is very good for them. Guess we all miss seeing them playing on the streets, though it is more dangerous for them:

Do you really miss children playing in the streets? In Germany senior citizens don't like the noise of children playing in the gardens or streets.
I live in a street where only senior citizens live and when a family with children moved into it and the children played in the street many neighbours complained.

No!! I don't really miss children playing in the streets, as it was in the past. There are plenty of playing fields for them, but are they Safe??

I think I might be a bit odd then lol
There is a school opposit me and I miss hearing the kids playing when they are off.! ::)

Phoenix, playfields are safe in Germany, but you don't find too many of them. I think children nowadays prefer watching TV and playing games on computers.

Teri, As you so rightly say!! Children much prefer Computers?? Or Go into their 'Chat Forums' which is far worse!!-- In our paper there are 3 girls that have given ALL their personal Information into the forum?? just how 'stupid' can they be??  Mother's are very angry??
 This is why the children of Today are 'obese' as they are being called in the News!!

yes children do prefer computers,thats because of the way things are here,as for giving all their details out on it,well they are children they dont think like us,they dont know there are pervs out there,thats the innocent ones anyway,and they arent all obese thats just what they want us to believe.I watch the kids playing in the school grounds and I  see very few obese ones.
Dont you think its sad that they dont have what we had ie.freedom to go out and explore as kids do.
I tell you in all honesty I am glad I was a kid when I was

Hello Mac,This, Is the benifit of Forums??  Getting other People's opinions!! -- I have sais for some years now, "Let Children, Be Children" there is plenty of time for them to grow up, providing 'they' receive, the correct and proper Guidance  ::) ::) As You state, not all children are 'overweight' as the press would have us believe  ::) ::)-- Yes!! It is indeed very 'sad' that children, do Not have the freedom, that we enjoyed??
Now perhaps you will realise, just why I prefered the 50s/60s. Before this country and it's people went - Ape!!

I know what you mean phoenix
but we have to move on,flower power has long gone
the parents feel their kids are safe on their pcs,meaning they know where they are.Not ideal I know but fact.

Hi Mac, No! I was not into flower power?? not in my position - I was what I considered a Normal Working person?? -- But t'is true, 'kids' are safer on their computers:

Phoenix, our papers write that kids are not safe on their computer and that parents should watch them and explain them the dangers of the computers. Think of all that pornos of kids sold via the internet.

Hi Teri, There has been severe warnings here. If only the young people would 'Listen' ??

Unfortunately we cant put old heads on young bodies

That's quite true, but we can help young people.

WHY AND HOW ??  WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THIS 'YOUNGER GENERATION'  WANT --- TO LISTEN??  HOW WOULD ONE GO ABOUT TEACHING THEM RIGHT FROM WRONG??  IS IT 'RIGHT' TO KICK A PERSON TO DEATH?? JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT ?? -- IS IT RIGHT TO KILL A MAN, JUST BECAUSE HE IS DEFENDING HIS FAMILY AND HOME OR CAR?? -- IS IT RIGHT TO COMMIT ARSON ?? AND TO DESTROY, LIFE AND PROPERTY ?? ARE THERE ANY 'MEDALS' AWARDED TO THOSE THAT KILL AND DESTROY THE MOST?? ---
MANY CRIMINALS ARE BEING 'RELEASED 'EARLY'?? TO MAKE ROOM FOR 'OTHERE'S?? ----I COULD GO ON, BUT I AND MANY OTHERE DECENT PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN JUST ANGRY!! --- TODAY, IS MORE UNDER 'MOB RULE' AS NOTHING IS BEING DONE TO 'PROTECT' THE INNOCENT VICTIMS!!

Phoenix, what you write is true, but it was our generation that "educated" or should I say just "spoiled too much" the present young generation. On the other side don't forget what TV shows every day - crime and murder seem to be normal things as per TV. I'm still a greenhorn on the computer so I can't say in as far as computers have also a share in this new way of thinking - but I think they really have. Think of all those murdes in schools in the USA and in Germany.
However, on the other side there are still a lot of good young people in our society, but as they don't attract anybody's attention we feel they are no longer here.

Well put Teri,its just a handful of mindless thugs,in the teenage quarter,but sadly it doesnt stop there as they get older some fall into gangs or get into drugs these are the real problem.
Plenty of disciplin,guidance,and much love in the early years would I am sure make a big difference.

Mac you can't expect discipline guidance from parents who don't know what the word discipline means. As to love, I sometimes have the impression either parents give too much love to their children, i.e. they spoil them too much, or none - a good middle course does no longer exist. People and especially children must know their limits.

Quite correct!!  It is only a Minority, that causes all those problems. -- Just don't read our local paper??
 There is too much Arson going on to Factories and homes via wheelie bins. Not forgetting Cars being burnt!!
 Gangs 'clashing' and more. -- Even getting into out Area new on TV now, so some things are getting  -- Worse??
 Shame 'they' missed out on receiving love and affection from 'their' parents, but this still does Not excuse them from knowing what is Right and Wrong and putting their Finger Up, when receiving -- A Slap On The Hand!!

They don't get any more a slap on the hand. On the contrary, they are "pampered" and can do what they want to do, because many parents no longer have the patience to discuss with them for hours.

Ah!!  Wonder just when a 'criminal' will object to the 'slap on the hand' with -- 'uman rights  ::) ::) ::)
druggies in jail are to receive £4,000 because they are being 'weened' OFF  Drugs ::) ::)-- Was NO Money to give to Old Age Pensioners??? -- Need To Be A Criminal To receive ALL The Benifits!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not the pensioners phoenix,the truely sick people in desperate need of drugs they wont supply,the pensioners will survive because they know how to !

Mac, All pensioner's should be in receipt of a Pension, at least Equal, to those in Europe!! -- The truly 'sick people, should receive the free Drugs, required to give a more 'comfortable' standard of living!! Is It Not So????
We, The pensioner's only survive, because WE having been doing that for Years!! -- It's all we know????

ah Phoenix in an ideal world !

... and where can we find it?

its not here Teri,it is in the mind I think.

Maybe, but I think that the word "ideal world" means something differeent for each person.

I believe that you are both Right!! --- I truly believe that an "Ideal World"is what was/is, a state of mind, that is different for each and every person ;D ;D ;D

There never will be an ideal world, after WW11 we thought peace at last, but there has been fighting somewhere in the world ever since

William,  How very True!!  Will ther be a world war 111  ::) ::) ::)

WW III would mean the end of civilization - so let's hope it won't be!

I dont want to even go down this road,war solves nothing,it only gives sorrow and hardship.

That's quite true Mac, but you know some people love it to play with the fire, as we say!

then they have no experience of it Teri,not to mention the aftermath

Mac that's quite true, but you know men originally were born as "hunters" whereas women are more the type of "collectors", i.e. I think that even in our modern world the dream of some little boys is to "play/go to war" without taking into consideration the consequences/aftermath. On TV war often is idolized (?9.

Yes I quite agree Teri
its genetic lol

With the 'aftermath of war' -- is there ever a winner ??
With all the death and destruction - What is it's purpose??
What does war solve ?? -- Except greed and Domination??
Will man, never learn??

I asked these questions only yesterday?? ---One of the answer's?? --- How does the world 'deal' with the 'excess population ::) ::) ::) --- I was Lost for an answer!!

Phoenix, no reason to be worried - nature always found a means to eliminate overpopulation.
As to wars, I think there will always be the one or other in one or the other part of the world - it's just fighting for more power and money!

Ah!! The solution.  'Natures Way' ??
      Death and Destruction, brought about by War??

Phoenix, war is a destructive thing that's true, but if you destruct something you have to build it up again!

Ah!!  The Ultimate Solution!! With no wars to destroy the Buildings?? There has to be another way ::) ::)---
 No Problem!! -- Our Councils find 'wonderful ways' to eliminate the olde buildings and spend our money!!--
 Answer?? Simply design New Type's of council offices??  New Shopping layout's  ::) ::) Plenty here going on ??
 Well!! Simple to 'spend' someone's Money!! ;D ;D ;D
Getting to be a 'concrete jungle' ??? ???

No need for punishment phoenix,just a deterrent

William, what did I learn in my English lessons at school "spare the root and spoil the child". But nowadays it's no longer as easy as that.
I really did my best to educate my children, but sometimes I really asked myself "are this your children, have they forgotten all you taught them". I'm of the opinion that friends and TV nowadays have a considerable influence on the behaviour of children.