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I see G. Brown dosnt think we need a referendum,I wonder why, is it because he knowsit will be thrown out. I wonder how much of this country hes given away

I think its time for a refurendum..and yes if there was one it would get thrown out ...its time the people spoke out

I only wish I knew how I would be at the front of the queue !
One minute we are told "we need the workforce"
the next there are millions on the dole ?
Soon Turkey will be joining.........I rest my case !

We are only told, that for which this government requires us to know. Should there be a 'referendum' It will be 'changed' to suit those in power. that is my belief:

I see the Scot still hasnt changed his mind on the referendum.
I wonder if he is deaf ?
you only have to read the papers to see whats happening
or even more trustworthy look around the change is shocking !
I am going to email"the Scot"
and tell him we are FULL up !! ::)

Full Up ?? I reckon --This Country is Overflowing and will be sure to 'Sink' with so many ----- Bodies ??

Let alone our over stretched services????

Did anyone see the pensioners marching on Downing street,with their masks on !
GOOD FOR THEM!!
I only hope the scot listens !

He wont listen Mac,what mp does listen, they r all too busy talking. promising all the goodies were going to get, which for some reason never seems to materialise

Pensioner's march with Masks on?? Who is going to take any Notice?? -- No One Of Importance!!

Now,IF those Pensioner's had been carrying 'Arms'??
Just imagine, The Interest and 'Panic' that would cause ??

It is totally unbelieveable, that so many 'Person's' ??
can be so 'Neglectfull' and 'ashamed' of their SENIOR CITIZENS!!

It was good that the photo of the people with the masks on got into the papers, in case the MPs cant read ;D ;D ;D ;D

Britain is stirring............

Hi Mac,Am glad that a Photo:was published. What a shame, The media does not back The senior citizens in their endeavor, to receive a 'decent' pension -- To that which 'WE' are Entitled too, for an acceptable standard of Living!! ---------- BRITAIN IS STIRRING ???
Britain wants a good 'shake up' -- Hurray for 'Martin Lewis' For further exposing the corruptness of some Businesses, in 'selling' P.P.Is.??????????????
Why can't business people be Honest and Fair to their Customer's ????

I have a silly question - many many years ago I saw a report on TV on pensions, among other also in the UK. Is it true that you get a only a so-called "basic amount" or is it as in my country that the amount is depending on the wages you earned and years you worked?

Hello Teri, Our 'Pension' is The Lowest in Europe!!
The Basic is £87 plus?? -- and any private pension on top??
We do not have any Book, as now it is just a Plastic Card.
 Once over 75. we do get free TV and £200 per Home,Heating money. -- Free Bus Travel, All Over from Next April!!
 If one is in rented property, there are many Benifits.
If one 'owns' their Home!! Forget It !!No Help. which one can expect,as we receive nothing:-- At 78. which I am next year. One can get a Free Passport?? -- At 80. One can receive an Extra ---- 25p. in their Pension!!

Not a Lot To Be Proud Of!! Mrs.Thatcher Removed, Income related Pensions in 1979!! That was Very Nice of her??

Teri
it isnt a fair system her for pensioners,its not everyone who gets their pensions topped up.
But it should be,if my neighbour in a rented house gets free insulation then all pensioners should.
If my neighbour gets free gas heating put in then all pensioners should.
I dont know if you get my gist Teri
if you live in a rented house you are fine you will get the benefits
if you own your house and was careful with your money you wont................but we are all pensioners.
motto is
spend spend spend  while you are young !and be kept when you are old.

Hello Mac, It makes one feel ashamed, to admit that The System developed here, is so outdated and unfair, that it 'beggers belief'-- If one owns their own Home (like us)
then we are responcible for it's maintenace, Naturally!!
Rented Property!! = No Internal maintenace by occupier.--
Many rented homes in this past year, have had - New Bathrooms - New Kitchens and New Heating Systems Installed FREE!! -- If the 'occupiers' are pensioners who Do Not Pay
Rent, or Council Tax!! and Receives other benifits!! Their Income equats to quite a bit More, than those who Own their Properties!! -- Is that Justifiable?? -- Oh yes, Free Insulation as well. WE cannot Afford that Luxury!!
Ah! Yes! New Guttering and Facia Boards, Free Too!!
 Our's this last year, Cost US, Over £2000!! There is No Justice or Fairness. But there are those That Abuse this system.-- Should one be too Old, to look after oneself and Go into a Residential Home?? Their Property is sold to pay for their upkeep!! --- This may well be - Unbelievable, but it is quite TRUE!!

what happens Pheonix, when a person in ahome who is paying,dies, thier house is sold and the money owing is taken out FIRST

Hello William,  What really makes you think there will be any Money Left?? First/ I think Hands will ensure, so little is Left?? -- ie. Not worth claiming?? that any 'surplus' will automatically, Go to either The Home?? or the government?? -- The Moral Is!!  Don't let anyone, get their hands on Your Money?? --'They' are queing up for it??-- At least it cannot happen to me!! I don't own property = Hurray!!

I read in today's paper your Mr. Brown seems to have a lot of problems at present - what's the reason?

Hello Teri, Big problems!!  Milllions of people's personal Details, have Gone Missing. Not The First Time Either!!
 There really is, No Sence of Responcibility in the government circles. Total Incompetance Wins The Day??
 Other Countries, must wonder just Why, we put up with sheer Neglect ??

Well Teri,they have been found out cheating
people who contribute to the party (big time)they have been using other peoples names to do this,most of these people arent labour either ! and the  powers that be deny all knowledge of it of course its all happened before with other parties but it makes Mr Brown and his party look incompitant as well as cheats,not to mention the missing discs with all those peoples details on.

Is there really an Advantage, in living a life of Lies??
Is there really an Advantage, in being Deceitful, Dishonest and downright Neglectful??
Is there no 'Common Sense' in being Honest, Loyal and Respecful in Leadership?? Whether it be Governments or Councils??  Is there No True Leaders??
Surely, I must be wrong. Please Tell ME I AM ?????????

Wait and see, it will all be swept uder the carpet, because they all P in the same pot. the big quetion is, if this lot goes who is going to replace em.

It seems to me anyone who speaks against the parties is sacked,its all about money and prestige now phoenix.
William I wish I had the answer to that one ! :-[

Perhaps that is The Answer??   We Have NON!!

Don't you see it a bit too dark?
The critics I read about Mr. Brown before he followed Blair were good. So, maybe there's someone working against him? I don't know.

I think Brown will do a lot better than Blair given the chance.He is having a very rough ride at the mo.
 I rather think he is more genuin than Blair

Teri, We go by the Facts shown to us.
Pensioner's still receive a Bonus of £10 at Christmas, as it was from 1972!! = No Increase!!-- When Aged, 80. Pension is Increased by 25p. each week?? Big Deal??
 The E.E.C.  Started in 1972, to make ALL those Countries
Equal!! --- Still No Different, except to bring in 'petty rules' that affects our people's lives, and Not for The Better!!

Your old age pension systems seems a bit complicated to me. In Germany the amount for the pension is deducted automatically from your wage, i.e. you pay half and half pays the employer. Then when you retire you get an amount calculated on the basis of the years you worked and the amount you paid into the system. What's a great handicap at present is that since the introduction of the Euro the pension have been divided, i.e. you only receive half, but the DM prices haven't been divided, i.e. you pay now in Euro what you paid in DM - so life has become relatively expensive here.

That does`nt seem fair Teri does it ?

Who said 'anything' is Fair??
Over the Working years, some monies have been stopped from a persons wages, to Pay?? For National Health Service and Pension!!-- The Total Stoppages, equats to approx: one third of Wages - This Includes Income Tax of course!!
 Since 1989. Mrs.Thatcher, did away with -- 'Income Related Pensions' -- Consequently, Pensioners now receive approx: 2% Increase, every April 6th.-- As all the Service Bills, Increase each April, that 2% is Gone in The First incoming Bill!! --- The 'outcome' of this, with regard to 'Purchasing Power' (net income) is that pensioners have Less money To Buy their Daily Needs !!-- In other words, we get worse off each and every year!!  =  Living???? becomes More Expencive, evey year !!

it appears you have got the same kind of government as us Terri
must have gone to the same school.

They often meet and have enough possibilities of exchanging ideas.
No, to be serious, of course, it is not fair, but all countries that changed to the Euro have the same problem and nobody can find out who is profiting of it.

Hi Teri,  The Only people who Profit are those who, Instigated The System??  Who Else would   Benifit ??

But who profits of the difference in price, our farmers say they don't get it, the retail traders say they neither get it - so who gets it?

Hi Terri, our supermarkets make millions, a lot of it at the expense of the farmers. Two supermarkets have admitted to fixing the price of milk, making millions in the process. now i understand they are to be fined a few millions. At the same time some farmers have had to go out of business, now the suppliers of milk are in short supply and the supermarkets are having to pay a decent price for their milk.

Big Businesses!!  Full of Greed!!

Naturally at The Consumer's Expence??

In Germany they say they had to considerably increase the prices of dairy products (milk, cheese etc.) because the Asians, above all the Chinese have discovered their love for them and there's a shortage now in our country.
Isn't that crazy?

Believe that if you wish?? Doubt it is true??
Here, supermarkets, Fined for overcharging Consumers.
 Hurray!! The farmers here receive very little for the Milk etc: to Supply these Supermarkets!!- Greed Again!!

I know how you feel Terri, we have a situation here whereby immigrants receive state handouts to help them settle when our own people in need cant get it.
  I s there any wonder we feel ambittered towards them.

According to The Media, a survey was carried out somewhere and The Majority Answer was Because of that main problem??

Even Criminals in Prisons, have Human Rights??
 Elderly people In Residential Homes, Have NON??
 Work that out, I cannot!!

Thats not strictly true Pheonix, everybody has human rights. I was OIC of a local authority home for the elderly for 15 years and I can assure you thier comfort and welfare came first.What  we read in the papers is all doom and gloom, not the good sid e side of life

I think what phoenix means by human rights is :
we got the patients up at between 6&7am.........why ?
and they were fed a certain time    why ?
and they were put to bed by a certain time ..why
the prisoners dont have to do that do they ?
some of the patients didnt want to get up at that time but they have to !
I am sure they had the patients best interest at heart ........but was it really in their interest or the staffs timetable ?

There has been so much Printed about 'Residential Homes' and Their patients - and Staff!! It is hard to actually believe, What is The Truth??  -- Patients!! Are Human, and should be treated as such!! Let us Remember??  The same Standards, Are certainly NOT applied the same in Every 'Home'!! -- What Used To Be!! Is not neccessarily, The same as currently implemented!! -- This Information, comes from another person, In a Higher position and has due relevancy, to Residential homes and The Quality if Care and Attention, 'they' Receive: -- Consider the 'stress' that the Staff, 'receive' -- Is it any wonder that some Patients, -- Are Given Drugs, to make Sleepy????
 

the only time you read about residential homes is when some misdemeanour has been commited,for every one of these there are hundres of home provding compassion and a high degree of care.  Prisoners are a different kettle of fish Mac, they are by and large able bodied,they can wash, dress and feed themselves.
In homes alot of residents are confused, inontinent, disbled in some form and so require a lot more attention.
I cant speak for other homes, but in my home, able residents were allowed to go to bed, get up go out to the shops, pub, church when they wanted. Staffing levels were woefully low. I could go on all night but I wont.

Hi Will
your home sounds more like a residential home than a nursing home,which is what I used to work in.Of course some homes cater for both.
I kid you not Will when I say some of them are bad and on more than pne occassion I have reported them.
Like you I could go on all night but I wont.

That's true there's a difference in the quality of homes, but it's up to you to change it. In Germany we have in some homes so-called "round tables" where the family meets with the directors to discuss the situation. Moreover, we have a home supervision. It's the task of the family or of the relatives to check the conditions in the home - at least in Germany. However, many people think that's asking too much of them. Just paying the stay in the home isn't enough - the family must still look after their mother/father.

Sadly Teri its a sign of todays times,when I was a kid family looked after each other,but then women didnt have the fabulously paid jobs they have now.I remember the elderly sitting at the front door on a chair and everyone who passed spoke to them,rather like a baby in a pram was.
Both are unheard of now !

Mac, don't forget we have now TV and everybody is sitting in front of his TV set and requires no longer someone to talk to.
When I was in Hungary some years ago, thee were still old people sitting on a chair in front of their houses, but in Germany this would look really strange.
If you want to talk to someone you go to shop round the corner (fortunately we still have one).

How nice to still have a 'corner shop'- somewhere for people to meet and chat too. - Yes, most people do have TV. to watch, Telephone to make a contact, instead of writing a letter. -- Those with Computer's have the best of it -- Via E-mail or Chat, if they both have a microphone and Speaker's, should one be Lonely -- as at times, we all feel --- Lost!!

the home was a residential home in theory but we had residents that needede nursing care. We also were subject to much stricter contro from social services than private homes.

Hello William, Hoping you are well and being looked after alright, and happy:

Nobody to look after me Pheonix,sob sob.
Keeoing ok tho, like us all afew aches and pains, but who wants to know that.
itry and keep active go out every day dine out 3 times a week, its a hard life

Hi William, I really do hope that our Forum helps to keep you going. I have a partner, but as her health is bad, we don't go out far,only shopping as needed. I play Snooker and carpet Bowls, once each week to get out and Socialise. It helps, very much and gives us, our own space.-- Aches and Pains can get to drive us 'mad' at times, but keeps us going?? -- I find that walking for me is a bit heavy, 'slightly wobbly' since I had Vertigo. But am a 'survivor' ----- well ! we have to be and have a laugh and joke about most things of today!! ---- Must be our coffee and ciggy that does that?? -- Take Care and keep smiling: -- Chatting, Really Does Help!!

Phoenix, you write chatting helps, but you are very seldom in chatroom. As I'm sort of a chatterbox I look from time to time in the chatroom and it's empty .................

Chatting sure does help!! Rarely do I see anyone there. Normal look later in Evening, though:

Usually I'm preparing my lessons for the next day in the evening and I'm looking from time to time to NYD, but Phoenix I don't succeed in meeting you.
Don't you think it would be a good idea, if all on the forum exchanged together views in the chatroom?

Hi Teri
yeh its nice to chat live,but we cannot all be together at the same time so forums are the next best thing,I think  :-\

Yes, there can be problems for the Chat Room, if we all went in there? such as Cross talking?? -- But as I have mentioned before?? One can converse via,  Email?? If one agrees to the exchange of Addresses?? ----
 Mine is in my Personal Pages, should anyone want to 'Chat' via. Windows Messenger ???

Phoenix,
technically ungifted as I am, I couldn't find it!

Hi Teri,  Everybody has Qualities of some sort, so don't put yourself down. -- I had a problem with the chatroom, when I first went in.  Do you have Windows Messenger for sending E-mails etc:   It is The Easy Way, to Chat or Send E-mails!! -- If you don't have it. Do a Search via your Browser, only if you want to!!