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I've decided this is who I am going to be! Let me explain. Read a letter in the mail this morning from a visa consultant who is very worried, as we all are about immigration. As he says the people who are arriving and being allowed to stay are not skilled workers therefore do not help our economy but burden our health scheme. benefits etc. The most worrying thing is that he states that in the last 7 months there has been an 80% increase in british subjects applying for visas to live and work abroad. We will sink without trace. So I am a WASP, ie. white anglo-saxon-person who has no intention of deserting britain and if that makes me racicst so be it.

Hello Betty, Well spoken and told The Truth!! There are very many like you, but in saying that, many will not speak their thoughts, possibly ashamed of what might come out!!-- One certainly does not need to be a consultant, to see just how 'things'?? Have changed and I admit everything is acceptable -- Within Reason -- But Not To Excess!! I am in total agreement with you and have said before -- this Island of 'our's' will sink under the excess weight!!--- My Choice too!!  I Am A Wasp!! AND Proud Of It  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

phoenix, how did I know you would agree with me!! I just hope nobody thinks this is racially motivated I'm just concerned at what my granchildren have got to look forward to.I'm so glad that we live in north essex and not Ilford where OH and I grew up as the shootings and so called " honour " killings seem to be a way of life.I know we must move forward but I don't think its always for the best.

The Celts and Brigantes etc  had much the same opinion Betty when the Angles and Saxons  set foot on our green and pleasant and pleasant land !  Complained bitterly about the plague of wasps no doubt  as did the denizens of the world atlas once coloured red !

now kes thats what I call a reply and so full of feeling!! I'm just in that sort of controversial mood today. I have spent so much  of my working life giving lip service to people as part of my job that now I'm retired I think sod it I will say what I think and to hell with it, after all we still have freedom of speech don't we, what do you say phoenix?

Hello Betty, We have so little, left to us all Today!!
We do of course have the freedom of speech  -- Just??
I suppose it depends on just how 'concerned' one really is?? I believe our people, still get a raw deal -- and yet who really Cares ?? -- We now have severe Floods, people who have Lost Everything, but Everything and how much information is on the news ?? Not much to tell us just how those people are being looked after?? -- We just Have to hear about other countries and 'their' problems??
 Am I one of the few that does not want to know??
 Charity!! Still Begins at Home??

We dont really have the freedom of speech Phoenix,
we,have to be politically correct or face the wrath of the "do gooder"

Its time somebody took the Do Gooders on instead of pandering to them.
it needs to be someone more intelligent than me.

Ok for the few ignarent people who post on this site I will give give you a small History Lesson.

Anglo - Saxons is a collective names for Germanic peoples who emmigrated to this Island from mainly netherlands and norway. These Anglo Saxons were Pagan and worshipped idols.

So are you saying that you are white European pagans and if so what are you doing over here you should be over the sea if you go by your theory lol.

It took the irish missionaries to turn these pagans to christianity (by the attitude of a few they don't seem to have done a very good job, lol theres still a few pagan's left.

No one group of people own this land we are all immigrants from somewhere if we were to search far enough back in our ancestry.

So if you are meaning that W.A.S.P stands for white English  and say that you own this land then you really are ignorant. There are many black people who were born in England and have a British Passport you are now denying there equal birthright to this land.

On your point about non skilled workers moving here those are the type we need the most, our farmers are desperate for agricultural workers and so is the catering trade, most hotel's nowadays employ European workers because they are very hard working. So many are leaving school and want to work in the IT industry or do office work and good luck to them , but someone needs to serve at tables or pick fruit in the field.

At this point i would just like to add that though I like this site very much and i think a lot of effort and hard work has gone into it I can't just sit back and let a couple of Racist's ( yes I did call you that, because if you say that you support what the implication of the Term W.A.S.P imply's then that is what you are RASCIST's and you should be named and shamed and your no better than the pagan's who were know as Anglo Saxon's.

So If Maurice wants to remove me from this site that is his decision but while i'm here I will disown myself of anyone who supports this thread.

Has i have said before..If our children and there children are to live together in a peacefull manner then it's up to  us has senior citizen's to show an example 











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Well Skeggy dont know whats happened here, just seen the very profound posting ...well im not racist at all, the only only thing i have a problem with any one that comes to our country is everyone should comply with our laws.
But what i have found half our hospitals wouldnt be able to function with out people from other countries , so if your in that situation, i'd think twice before telling them you are a wasp...
What i have a problem with is the ones who enter this country an never work and have all the benefits, this is whats draining the  financies...
No way would Maurice remove you Skeggy..but i think the wasps might get a letter ... think theres been enough wars over religons an culture.... we dont need one in here!!!!

"TO BE, OR NOT TO BE, THAT IS THE QUESTION"

 "I AM FULLY ENTITLED TO STAND BY MY CONVICTION AND I WILL NOT BE SWAYED BY ANYONE"

YOU ARE FULLY ENTITLED TO PUT YOUR POINTS FORWARD, JUST AS I AM ---- DO CONTINUE!!

This is a touchy one.
You cant blame these people for wanting a better life,I know I would.I think the government should have set a seal on the amount of migrants we take,like other countries.
I still say the governments are wrong,we train doctors and they have to go to Australia for a job ?
we train dentists and they have to do they same ?
we train nurses and yes the same ?
We need these people,and from what I can gather we are importing migrant workers for the menial jobs,that could be dont by our own people,such as,offenders,people that havent worked for years and dont intend to.
In my local hospital there are many many spanish nurses why ?spain is not a hard up country.!
We now have to find a way of living with this,untill we get a decent hard working and not frightened prime minister that will sort it out !

I am in total aggreement with what Mac says, you can't blame the immigrants for wanting to better themselves, they are not to blame, I also aggree that the government needs to set up a better immigration policy than what it has. But I suspect that behind it all someone is making a lot of money out of this movement of migrent workers and thats why its allowed to happen. A few years ago I worked for around 8 months in a Jobcentre during that time we had no difficulty with finding work for migrent  workers they would work on the land or in food packing plants they would take any work available, the problem for us was with some Brits who with 3 or 4 kids who wouldnt work for less than £300 a week because they would be worse off than on benefit.
Before folks start branding words like W.A.S.P around they  need to check there facts. 

Well done Skeggy   --wish I could add more support  but I'm off tomorrow and have things to do. Look forward to seeing ypu on the site when I get back

Have a nice time Kes

This subject seems to have led to a very heated and controversial debate, which should be the purpose of any forum. Members are free to air their views as strongly as they like but without directing personal abuse

Hello Maurice, Thank You for your comment!! I noted you have placed 'Remove' against my posts?? and no other's, so I am obliged to ask Why??--There was quite obviously, No Direct abuse at any one person, either from myself, or Betty. -- We just made a statement of fact, as anybody is allowed to make. just a personal point of view, to which one is entitled to.-- What I most sincerly object to, Is being called a racist, by a member of this forum, for which there should be an apology!! -- There was your Direct Abuse!! -- Should you not be in agreement with this, I am quite prepared to withdraw from this forum.
I have tried to increase the interest, by putting more issues for debates and not all have been answered. I consider as a member, that I have done my best:

Its very unfortunate that this has happened ..clearly someone saw a letter in the paper and not checked on the the use of the abbrieviations before posting it on the forum and someone else has followed up with there reply. I did some research on  the meaning of the of W.A.S.Pbefore I posted my reply ( you get a good refence to it in the Wikkipedia. It originated in America with the new settlers but it was White Anglo Saxon Protestants back then. It was used by Elitist communities to set them selves apart from the native American and Catholic communities it became almost a cult, many Dictionaries quote it has an insult and clearly it has been used in a racist manner. I do think people should check there facts before making posts. If i sounded a bit harsh in my post well I was very much offended by the posts and by making my feelings known i hoped that it would end the discussion before anyone else continued it.
 If I decided to walk down the street with a swastika on my arm I would expect to get attacked so in the same way  if you were to use this thread on some forums you would also have been under attack.  Please remember that using abbreviations that set you up has  an elitist and saying this is my country could be just as offensive to some.
 
Free speech is very good but you must also realise that what you say always has repocussions. this forum is not my forum and its not your forum, It is open to anyone over 50 from anywhere in the world to read, remember this is the World Wide Web so i'ts not too much to expect that we consider other folks feelings when we post here is it.
I really would like to see this forum grow. I want chat and have discussions that will be a benefit to all that are reaching or already in there retirement years but i most certainly don't want to see posts that attack any other groups in the community. Lets have some good debates without having to resort to discussing personal prejudices that could be offensive to others.
 It was never my intention to drive anyone from the forum , but if you post this kind of post you must expect someone to have a pop at you.
I hope now we can put this particular post to bed and get on where we left off.

Phoenix I did not put remove against your post and I don't know who did.
Skeggy I can understand that you feel strongly about this matter and you are entitled to express your view  but personal abuse destroys the point that you are trying to make and also creates bad feeling. I agree with you let's draw a  line under the matter.

As house prices are set to increase dramatically in the next few years our children and grandchildren will have even less chance of their own home, even rented accommodation will be scarce. I think its about time we called a halt to the amount of people entering the country now although I fear its already too late.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/OvercrowdedUK/

Hello Val
nice of you to post,thank you for the link,there are many that share your fears.
Houses have alwasy been a good investment,and again this is where the government should use capping of some sort,it should not be allowed for investers to buy to rent at everyones cost,and the other side of the coin is the higher the house prices are the more Tax the government and coucils will get,whether you are dead or alive.!

The real reason for housing increases lies with us in this country. For years now there has been a real decline in new house building, but as soon as new plans are brought out to build affordable housing it is blocked by protest groups worried that it may devalue there property, how selfish is that.

There are many rural communities that can't afford to buy property now because of the trend for buying second holiday homes. what is worse many of these owners of holiday homes don't pay the full council tax on there properties because they only live in them for part of the year. Folks are now in the position where they see there homes has the pension in later life and so there happy to see property prices rise, whilst giving no thought to the next generation.

I saw on the TV this lunch time that they are expecting an average family home to be worth £500,000 in just a few years. but remember what goes up must come down and i fear for many new to the property market very soon because theres no way this increase can be sustained

I knew they were doing the wrong thing when they pulled down all the houses that were "back to back", in the late 60`s and never replaced them,we have less houses here now than ever !
I happened to have one of those that was thought of as "unfit" to live in,how wrong they were,some that are up for sale now are far worse,not to mention smaller and cost a fortune now.
We didnt only lose the houses we lost the community spirit too !

LOl they could always bring back the Prefabs

Hi Skeggy
Well I read recently that some of them are still going,and very nice they are too !and better built lol
I could also think of worse places to live couldnt you ?  ;D

Yes its amazing that there are still some of these prefabs that were built after the war. they have been renovated and some are very confortable, considering they were only supposed to last for a maximum of 7 years its pretty remarkable.

I remember has a child there was a frefab next to my grandmothers house that was built completely of Tin , it looked like a Nissan hut, but it was really cosy inside